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Title: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: chilipepper on February 27, 2018, 07:28:05 pm
Should this forum have an "Off topic" section for possible discussion of politics, religion, gun control, etc.?

If Asher has already decided - he's the boss so I'm ok if it's already settled. Just asking. :)
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: HGMuller on February 28, 2018, 09:12:39 am
Bad idea. Why should such things be discussed here? Aren't there enough places elsewhere to do that?
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: GothicChessInventor on February 28, 2018, 05:09:04 pm
Should this forum have an "Off topic" section for possible discussion of politics, religion, gun control, etc.?

If Asher has already decided - he's the boss so I'm ok if it's already settled. Just asking. :)

This is the quickest way to have an otherwise perfectly nice place to visit become a place I would most likely avoid into the forever future.
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: ebinola on February 28, 2018, 05:31:43 pm
We can certainly have an off-topic board, but most of what you said should be off-limits in terms of discussion points. While I love a good debate on politics, religion, etc., it can prove to be very dividing, especially in places where people originate from all different schools of thought.
Asher would also have to assign moderators to handle the forum, since 'off-topic' will still attract political/religious posts regardless of whether or not it's stated that these are off-limits.
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: chilipepper on April 12, 2018, 09:27:35 pm
My suspicion is that most people on this forum are sensible and reasonable, and have respect for one another's opinions. If a topic is labeled as "Off Topic" then people can choose to not go there, or if they visit they should know that differences in personal views should not be taken to the other topics.

If there is a thread where members become impolite and rude, then the moderators (I suppose it's only Asher currently) can delete the rude posts, or even delete the topic altogether.

Some ideas for an "Off Topic" section can be:

"Off Topic"

"The Chess Cafe"

"Anything goes"

"The rumble room"

"The Town Hall"

any others?
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: Asher Hurowitz on April 12, 2018, 10:20:54 pm
My suspicion is that most people on this forum are sensible and reasonable, and have respect for one another's opinions. If a topic is labeled as "Off Topic" then people can choose to not go there, or if they visit they should know that differences in personal views should not be taken to the other topics.

If there is a thread where members become impolite and rude, then the moderators (I suppose it's only Asher currently) can delete the rude posts, or even delete the topic altogether.

Some ideas for an "Off Topic" section can be:

"Off Topic"

"The Chess Cafe"

"Anything goes"

"The rumble room"

"The Town Hall"

any others?

I'm fine with whatever keeps the forum a healthy environment, I just don't want to open up a can of worms and deter people who would otherwise actively contribute. This forum is for chess variants. However, if there was enough support I would add the board. (Now that GothicChessInventor has left us I guess that gets rid of your most vocal opposition thus far).
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: joejoyce on April 13, 2018, 01:37:12 am
While I am very different from GCI, I find myself agreeing with his sentiment about politics, religion, sex, or any other hot-button topics. The topics I want to discuss and/or argue about here are related to chess variants. If you wish to discuss politics or other topics with me, friend me on Facebook, if it's still there after its complicity in the Russian attacks on the US election. I'll cheerfully argue for fewer, not more, types of pieces in (very) large variants and the inclusion of crossover games here, like Tafl Chess or Battle of Macysburg. As a long-time editor at chessvariants.com, I can assure you that people will get more than passionate about chess and chess variants and need to be moderated. Others here can tell you that, too. I come here for the chess. Of course, all I have to do is ignore the off-topic area. But I wonder about how we'd all get along if we found we were bitter political/religious/ethnic/economic... enemies? ;) Grin, my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: chilipepper on April 13, 2018, 02:09:03 am
Good comments. To compare with other forums that I visit, the "Sudoku Players Forum" had a "Cafe" for any type of discussion. (Sudoku is another hobby of mine, but has mostly been superseded by chess).

I'm also a member at an astronomy forum, and I believe they don't have a forum for off-topic. (correction: actually they do and it's very popular).

chess.com has many provisions for off-topic discussion. They have both a public forum called "Off-topic", and also allow private (unmoderated) clubs to be set up. One club is "free speech" (115 members), and another is "open discussion" (837 members). I'm a member of both clubs, but only visit them occasionally. I've seen anything and everything discussed in the private clubs.

My personal preference is more options for people to communicate rather than less.

I've seldom had a conflict with anyone, and in one very rare case where I did, I challenged him to a chess game. (tension can make game-play more fun and intense). But he declined. :)
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: joejoyce on April 13, 2018, 01:52:43 pm
In general, I'm in favor of more communications, and I, too, have challenged more than one politically opposite person to a chess variant, myself. I usually suggest hyperchess: (https://cf.geekdo-images.com/original/img/cTdS68DWY8W4fJAt-CEwQ51papg=/0x0/pic1763432.jpg)

Off-topic posts are sometimes great for building community. I would just suggest another section, the Netherworld, where discussions that get too heated, polarized, or just too generally outrageous can be consigned, so they may be continued without intruding on the larger community. In any case, I withdraw all objections. ;)
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: chilipepper on April 13, 2018, 10:05:23 pm
...I too, have challenged more than one politically opposite person to a chess variant, myself. I usually suggest hyperchess...
Oh boy. I think it might be better if people don't get in an argument with you.  :P

Slight correction on my former information. The off-topic section at the Sudoku Players' Forum is called the "coffee bar". If anyone is interested in seeing it, it's here (near bottom):
http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/
 :)
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: joejoyce on April 16, 2018, 11:57:04 am
...I too, have challenged more than one politically opposite person to a chess variant, myself. I usually suggest hyperchess...
Oh boy. I think it might be better if people don't get in an argument with you.  :P
It's amazing how, and how often, that works! It's actually a fairly easy game, certainly the easiest and closest to standard Western chess 4D variant I know of. Grin, if you're ever interested, I'll cheerfully play a game, even if not very well. I've never claimed to be any good at it. In fact, it's about the only 4D vriant I can play and understand what I'm doing and even what my opponent may be doing.
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: chilipepper on April 17, 2018, 05:58:05 pm
It's amazing how, and how often, that works! It's actually a fairly easy game, certainly the easiest and closest to standard Western chess 4D variant I know of. Grin, if you're ever interested, I'll cheerfully play a game, even if not very well. I've never claimed to be any good at it. In fact, it's about the only 4D vriant I can play and understand what I'm doing and even what my opponent may be doing.
Thanks for the offer. I might like to play sometime but unfortunatelly I'm a little too busy right now to add any more games to my roster. But one question I have - if we did play, at which website would you suggest playing?
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: chilipepper on April 17, 2018, 06:01:20 pm
Also, a more general question (to anyone). Is chess considered off-topic?

If we would like to discuss chess (that is orthodox chess and not variant chess) at what forum category should we use? ???
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: HGMuller on April 18, 2018, 04:00:01 am
Orthodox Chess is a variant of Chess (known as the Mad Queen variant).
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: Asher Hurowitz on April 18, 2018, 08:27:39 am
Also, a more general question (to anyone). Is chess considered off-topic?

If we would like to discuss chess (that is orthodox chess and not variant chess) at what forum category should we use? ???

If you want to discuss Orthochess then I always thought you could either do it in General Discussion or if it really became very popular I would create a separate board for it.
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: chilipepper on April 18, 2018, 10:05:14 am
Thanks Asher. :)
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: joejoyce on April 28, 2018, 01:24:28 am
It's amazing how, and how often, that works! It's actually a fairly easy game, certainly the easiest and closest to standard Western chess 4D variant I know of. Grin, if you're ever interested, I'll cheerfully play a game, even if not very well. I've never claimed to be any good at it. In fact, it's about the only 4D vriant I can play and understand what I'm doing and even what my opponent may be doing.
Thanks for the offer. I might like to play sometime but unfortunatelly I'm a little too busy right now to add any more games to my roster. But one question I have - if we did play, at which website would you suggest playing?
I missed your question about websites. Sorry 'bout that! The only website I know of where you can play it is chessvariants.org
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: chilipepper on June 10, 2018, 01:40:16 pm
Re: Poll for voting if these forums have an off-topic section: It appears NO off topic section is winning (2 Yes, 5 No).

If there is a lull in activity on these forums, maybe we should allow off-topic. ???

I just checked another forum - the "Off topic" section at Cloudy Nights (astronomy) is the most popular thread there. It has 700,000 comments, which blasts away everything else. Even "gardening" has 10,000+ comments.

https://www.cloudynights.com/forum/101-other/

Evidently people who like astronomy also talk about other stuff too. :)
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: Asher Hurowitz on June 10, 2018, 07:39:05 pm
Re: Poll for voting if these forums have an off-topic section: It appears NO off topic section is winning (2 Yes, 5 No).

If there is a lull in activity on these forums, maybe we should allow off-topic. ???

I just checked another forum - the "Off topic" section at Cloudy Nights (astronomy) is the most popular thread there. It has 700,000 comments, which blasts away everything else. Even "gardening" has 10,000+ comments.

https://www.cloudynights.com/forum/101-other/

Evidently people who like astronomy also talk about other stuff too. :)

I've been thinking about it.....
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: HGMuller on June 11, 2018, 01:34:25 pm
What good would it do to have a thousand off-topic posts? They have zero benefit for the chess-variants section. And they would just eat away resources (like bandwidth and space for uploaded files) from the things that matter.
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: chilipepper on June 11, 2018, 02:11:27 pm
Then we can talk about things that aren't related to chess variants. :)
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: HGMuller on June 12, 2018, 01:44:05 pm
You can already do that. In zillions of places on the net. Just don't do it here...
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: chilipepper on June 12, 2018, 05:10:59 pm
Honestly, I don't care too much if I can talk about non-variant related topics here, precisely because of what you mentioned (there's other forums). But I feel without a section for off-topic discussions, this forum will be at a disadvantage. I'm pretty sure that this platform is free because of advertising. The ads are placed because of page views, and the page views happen because of user-generated content. The algorithms placing the ads don't care if we are talking about chess or funny pet stories.

At Cloudy Nights the pet topic is bigger than this entire chess-variant forum. I guess when there isn't much happening in celestial activity, pets keep doing funny things. But again, I'll let Asher and everyone else decide. :)
Title: Re: Should this Forum have an Off-Topic section?
Post by: McGoohan on June 13, 2018, 11:14:39 am
Quoting Hans Eisler: „Anyone who only understands music, doesn’t understand that either“.

Maybe this also applies to chess and an off topic section would do no harm.